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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 7, 2012 3:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Ya know, JD, if we took ~ half the bucks going towards equipment that would ONLY really be useful in fighting the "last war" (ie, Cold War), that is TOTALLY unnecessary given the v different "threats" (overstated IMHO) faced by the US today, we could fund EVERYTHING ever considered in the most excessive welfare state...education, health; everything.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Nov 7, 2012 4:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

I agree that the those who preach fiscal discipline do not often couple the domestic cuts with the cuts that effectively would end most of the American Empire and the infrastructure that maintains it. As with all of it, if we spend beyond what we are able, the whole enchilada is going to come down ugly and quick. Best sort out what we value and how, and cut loose the rest. However, we don't have such a good track record as a country when facing that question. Things seem to have to become untenable for us to face the reality.

>we could fund EVERYTHING

I do not that is possible in any society, ever- or at least for very long.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 7, 2012 5:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Oh yeah, way overstated there, but you get the idea...we (Arizona in particular) REALLY love our defense spending, and as you and I both are well aware, some of these "big ticket items" just really aren't going to be all that useful in the upcoming conflicts (IMveryHO, as it's a real guess of course...and like FB & MJ point out, there are some v real problems with administrating a welfare state, untoward effects, blah, blah, blah).

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 8, 2012 9:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Interesting tidbit of data driven info for you PM.

Two questions from the following scenario:

If you instantaneously eliminated deficit spending (either as a matter of practice or Constitutional Amendment) AND then you applied 1 (one) QE stimulus package each year (round it to $750 BILLION) solely to retire the debt AND you left Social Security untouched:

1. How long would it take to retire the debt?
2. How much would you need to cut the remaining budget line items to support this approach?

You will find your answer to why it is nearly mathematically impossible to solve our fiscal and economic predicament.

Remember, problems have solutions. Predicaments only have outcomes.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 8, 2012 10:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Got an easy one: will consider that when one & all realize we must make age for SS & medaid PRECISELY proportional to what it was when adopted (ie, inc by 5 yrs due inc in longevity)...good to go!

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 8, 2012 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Here's the answer because I didn't really expect anyone to do the math.

1. 20 years

Here's the kicker.

2. 80%. EVERY single budget line item (less Social Security) would need to be cut by 80%.

Cue the fat lady with the viking hat.....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 8, 2012 11:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

Ha!

But, to restate the obvious, it is amazing though how ALL aspects of future budget woes do go away, LITERALLY, if you inc the age for SS/medc a few yrs (seriously--this is the EASY math).

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 8, 2012 11:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Forget ObamaCare -- Let's just rely on ambulances and emergency rooms!

All aspects of SS future budget woes go away. Increasing the SS age to 187 doesn't do anything in the long run if we continue to run deficit budgets.